Dan Barker @ OU

Dan Barker spoke tonight at OU in Dale Hall. He was brought in by CFI. His lecture was titled “How to be good without God.” Here are some of the highlights and my brief responses:

-> “What we need and what we want is the basis of morality.”

This makes ethics arbitrary: our wants and needs can change. Also, he applied morality to animals and plants… how can this be done if it is defined by human wants and human needs? This seems arbitrary as well.

-> Good is the reduction of harm.

Why? Where does this definition come from? Also, defining harm seems to presuppose a definition of goodness. I don’t see how this isn’t viciously circular.

-> Sticking a needle in a baby is generally bad… unless we are doing so to give the baby a necessary or beneficial shot.

Basically, this is a greater good argument. Sticking a baby with a needle is bad unless it is done for the purpose of accomplishing a greater (or perhaps sufficient) good. If a person has a sufficiently good purpose that can be accomplished by something normally considered evil then it is justified… What then about the problem of evil? Can God have a sufficient reason for allowing/purposing evil to exist? When asked about this, Dan did not deny this possibility. I wonder how he can then continually bring up/mention/argue the problem of evil while admitting that a good, all-powerful God can create a world that will contain evil.

There were plenty more absurdities espoused by him tonight and certainly many more within all of his lectures and debates; however, these are the ones that most stuck out to me. I might post more later.

Marcus Borg is the most important Christian theologian

I’m taking a class: Comparative Religion. It is mostly a survey class. We are currently studying Christianity. I recently received the study guide for the test, in which this list of terms is found:

  • Gospels
  • Epistles
  • Translation process
  • Incarnation, crucifixion, ressurection
  • Pentacost
  • Trinity
  • Atonement
  • Roman domination
  • Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots
  • Canonization of new Testament
  • Issues of authority of scripture
  • Ecumenical Councils: Nicea, Ephesus, Chalcedon
  • Roman, Eastern, Protestant
  • Eucharist
  • Baptism (believers versus infant)
  • Suffering Servant
  • Eschatology
  • Gender Issues in Christianity and Feminist theology
  • Jesus Seminar
  • Marcus Borg, The Heart of Christianity.

One of the first things that stood out to me in this list is that Marcus Borg is the only person referred to directly. Luther, Calvin, Aquinas, Anselm, and Augustine are all missing. And you can certainly forget about Zwingli, John Owen, Jonathan Edwards, George Whitefield, John Wesley, Charles Spurgeon, Athanasius, Irenaeus, Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, the Apostle Paul, C.S. Lewis, Karl Barth, Philip Melanchthon, B.B. Warfield, Charles Hodge, John Knox, Cornelius Van Til, R.C. Sproul, J.I. Packer, Tertullian, St. Francis, John the Baptist, Pelagius, the Apostle Peter,  Laelius Socinus, Arius, Friedrich Schleiermacher, and Alvin Plantinga. None of these made the cut… but Marcus Borg did.

It is John Calvin’s 500th birthday this year, and he happens to have been one of the theologians in an insignificant event know as the Protestant Reformation; he hasn’t been mentioned once in class. Yet we talked quite a bit about the Jesus Seminar. This is an imbalance at best!  Unfortunately, it is no surprise that an extremely liberal “Christian” was the only one to make the list. Awful.

Religion, Miracles, and Science

Here are a couple of videos I’ve found. Much is drawn from essays by C.S. Lewis, found in God in the Dock.

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Ten Signs of the Emergent Church

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Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism

These are a few examples of evolutionary arguments against naturalism (EAAN). The basic idea is that if evolutionary naturalism is true, we couldn’t know it and have no basis on which to argue it.

Something often capitalized on in this discussion is a section of a letter Charles Darwin wrote to William Graham. This section is affectionately referred to as Darwin’s Doubt. While the thinking in this letter does seem to have led to the idea of the EAAN, I think it important to note that that was not Darwin’s intent. The conviction Darwin was doubting was not natural selection, but the idea that the universe is not the result of chance.

Nevertheless you have expressed my inward conviction, though far more vividly and clearly than I could have done, that the Universe is not the result of chance. But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man’s mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey’s mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?1

Although the minds of many people seem to jump straight to Alvin Plantinga when the EAAN is mentioned, C.S. Lewis had a similar argument long before Plantinga’s:

If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents - the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts - i.e., of Materialism and Astronomy - are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milk-jug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.2

In the essay Meditation in a Toolshed, Lewis put forth some ideas that could be used as a naturalistic argument against naturalism:

A young man meets a girl. The whole world looks different when he sees her. Her voice reminds him of something he has been trying to remember all his life, and ten minutes casual chat with her is more precious than all the favours that all the other women in the world could grant. He is, as they say, ‘in love’. Now comes a scientist and describes this young man’s experience from the outside. For him it is all an affair of the young man’s genes and a recognized biological stimulus. That is the difference between looking along the sexual impulse and looking at it.

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As soon as you have grasped this simple distinction, it raises a question. You get one experience of a thing when you look along it and another when you look at it. Which is the ‘true’ or ‘valid’ experience? Which tells you most about the thing? And you can hardly ask that question without noticing that for the last fifty years or so everyone has been taking the answer for granted. It has been assumed without discussion that if you want the true account of religion you must go, not to religious people, but to anthropologists; that if you want the true account of sexual love you must go, not to lovers, but to psychologists; that if you want to understand some ‘ideology’ (such as medieval chivalry or the nineteenth-century idea of a ‘gentleman’), you must listen not to those who lived inside it, but to sociologists.

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A physiologist, for example, can study pain and find out that it ‘is’ (whatever is means) such and such neural events. But the word pain would have no meaning for him unless he had ‘been inside’ by actually suffering. If he had never looked along pain he simply wouldn’t know what he was looking at. The very subject for his inquiries from outside exists for him only because he has, at least once, been inside.

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…you can step outside one experience only by stepping inside another. Therefore, if all inside experiences are misleading, we are always mislead. The cerebral physiologist may say, if he chooses, that the mathematician’s thought is ‘only’ tiny physical movements of the grey matter. But then what about the cerebral physiologist’s own thought at that very moment? A second physiologist, looking at it, could pronounce it also to be only tiny physical movements in the first physiologist’s skull. Where is the rot to end?3

Lewis also has a case against naturalism via evolution, in his book, Miracles

An act of knowing must be determined, in a sense, solely by what is known; we must know it to be thus solely because it is thus. [...] Any thing which professes to explain our reasoning fully without introducing an act of knowing thus solely determined by what is known, is really a theory that there is no reasoning. [...] But this, as it seems to me, is what Naturalism is bound to do.

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The type of mental behavior we now call rational thinking or inference must therefore have been ‘evolved’ by natural selection, by the gradual weeding out of types less fitted to survive. [...] Now natural selection could operate only by eliminating responses that were biologically hurtful and multiplying those which tended to survival. But it is not conceivable that any improvement of responses could ever turn them into acts of insight, or even remotely tend to do so. The relationship between response and stimulus is utterly different from that between knowledge and the truth known.4

And, finally, there is Plantinga’s argument. Here is my summary/outline of it:

1) If we have evolved via natural selection, genetic drift, genetic mutation, or similar mechanisms, then our cognitive faculties have also arisen via these mechanisms.

2) If our cognitive faculties arose from naturalistic evolution, are they reliable?

3) Natural selection is concerned with survival, rather than true beliefs or true information from the external world.5 “Natural selection doesn’t care what you believe; it is interested only in how you behave.”6

4) The ability of our cognitive faculties to understand truth, given naturalistic evolution, is then dependent upon the connection of belief and behavior.

5) There is not a necessary connection between belief and survival behavior; many false beliefs can lead to survival behavior.

6) Evolutionary naturalism is self-defeating. Given evolutionary naturalism, beliefs produced by our cognitive faculties cannot rationally be believed to be reliable. This not only includes the belief in naturalism, but belief in the previous sentence.

Now, I should point out that this is just a simplified summary that I have produced; Plantinga’s full argument is far more technical than what I have presented.

Now, if you would like a less technical argument than Platinga’s, then you might like the argument given by Rhology:

Atoms coalesced into molecules, into larger clumps of matter. Rocks became amino acids became proteins became unicellular organisms became bananas, platypuses, humans. Bananas don’t think. Neither do cans of Dr Pepper. Why assume that another lump of matter (arbitrarily and customarily called a “brain”) can “think”? A can of Dr Pepper, when shaken, produces fizz. The liver secretes bile when called upon to do so. The brain secretes brain fizz when called upon to do so. And the brain is somehow special?

The main idea behind all of these is that the idea naturalism is self-defeating, due to the inability of naturalism to produce brains that can produce thoughts that are true or reliable. Granted, most of the above arguments involve evolution (more specifically, natural selection). If someone were to produce a naturalistic theory contrary to the evolutionary synthesis, then, perhaps, that person may be able to argue against Lewis or Plantinga (though, I currently doubt this). However, it seems that, for the materialist, evolution is the only game in town.

  1. Charles Darwin to William Graham, 3 July 1881 []
  2. C.S. Lewis, A Mind Awake: An Anthology of C.S. Lewis, ed. by Clyde Kilby (Harvest Books, 2003), p. 228. []
  3. C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology and Ethics, ed. by Walter Hooper (Grand Rapids, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1970), pp. 212-15. []
  4. C.S. Lewis, Miracles ( HarperSanFrancisco, 1996), pp. 26-28 []
  5. Of course, it can be concerned with with accurate information from the external world, but only if false information leads to behavior inappropriate for survival. []
  6. Alvin Plantinga, Warrant and Proper Function, “Naturalism Defeated” (Ithica, N.Y.: Cornell University Press, 1993)  []

Ruse and Religion

I just returned home from the Dembski/Ruse debate and the discussions that ensued. I came late and missed most of the debate and did not hear Dembski present. I heard the end of Ruse’s last presentation and the Q & A session. I had a question to ask Michael Ruse, but wasn’t able to at the debate.

My question was really going to be a challenge of sorts, rather than an attempt to satisfy curiosity. It seemed to me that Ruse was playing two sides, taking up whichever one was the most convenient at the time. On the one hand, he would say that it is possible that there is a transcendent, self-existing, necessary being and that the supernatural might exist. He would then also argue that science must presuppose naturalism and that methodical naturalism must be applied. It seems to me that when he makes both of these claims that he throws the relationship of science to truth under the bus. He is essentially arguing that science must adhere to framework that might be completely contrary to reality.

Science is Atheistic?

There is a certain atheist I have interacted with some… I’ll refer to him as JJ. He is found commonly commenting on the OU Daily website. He could have had a column in the Daily, but rejected it due to his disdain for some of the other columnists and the editor. He commonly uses profanity and ad hominem. Recently he has also taken to telling people to use Google rather than actually arguing his case. And, after I made a comment in a thread on Facebook, suggesting that he hadn’t actually made a case, he changed his settings to block me from seeing him or anything he does. I wouldn’t typically recommend this approach to discussion.

Just a few hours ago (before I was blocked), he made the assertion that science is atheistic. I asked him about it and he responded with quite a bit of profanity and name calling. I have quite a hard time believing that the atheist can know anything by any method consistent with his atheism, let alone that atheism is required for science! Of course, I believe that Christian theism is thenecessarypresupposition for science.

For example, by Christianity I know that God created the world, that creation exists, that I exist, etc. I also know that the world is sovereignly governed by God and that nature obeys his laws. I thus expect to find consistency in them, throughout space and time. I can know that my thoughts can (if acting in obedience to God) correctly interpret reality - that nature is intelligible.

By what means does the atheist assume such things? His supposed reality is governed both by randomness and law; by the irrational and rational.

How in the world does someone reconcile rationalism and irrationalism? If the world is inherently irrational, how does one then arrive at reason and rationality? If one asserts that chance is actually the product of rational processes that have yet to be explained, how does one know? And, if ‘chance’ is produced by fixed laws, does it not cease to be ‘chance’?

Luke 18 and Mark 10 - Did Jesus deny being deity?

Video I made in response to the assertion that Christ denied being God in Luke 18…

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12-Year-Old on Abortion

After being threatened with disqualification (because of the topic), this 12-year-old girl from Toronto won a speech competition. She was initially disqualified by the judges, but after much disagreement and one of the judges quitting, the girl was declared the winner.

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The GOD Delusion (Part 1 of 11)

This is my examination and thoughts of Richard Dawkins’ book: The GOD Delusion.1 

Chapter 1 - A Deeply Religious Non-Believer

This chapter is split up into two parts: Deserved Respect and Undeserved Respect. The first section describes the ‘metaphorical or pantheistic God of the physicists’, and the second describes a supernatural god.

Deserved Respect

Dawkins begins by relating the experiences of two boys gazing at the magnificence of the world in wonder: one himself, the other an Anglican priest. He then wonders why such an experience would lead one child to the priesthood and the other to atheism, saying it ‘is not an easy question to answer’. Yet despite this uncertainty, he concludes that had the priest read the closing paragraph to The Origin of Species in his childhood, he certainly would have chosen atheism as well. Dawkins includes this paragraph from Pale Blue Dot by Carl Sagan:

How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, ‘This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant’? Instead they say, ‘No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.’ A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.

After reading this I had three basic thoughts. One, perhaps Christians have failed to communicate how big our God is! Or worse, perhaps Christians don’t recognize themselves how big God is! I find the latter far more likely. Second, is the universe bigger than described in the Bible? I think not! Genesis 22:15-17 suggests that the number of stars and the number of grains of sand on the shore to be similar. Job 22:12 describes the stars as ‘distant’ and ‘high’ (NASB). But more than just describing a number or distance, the Bible gives poetic, elegant, magnificent descriptions of things in nature. Which brings me to my third thought, that though things in nature may be found to be magnificent, we are to look on the glory of God with far more awe! If the creation is so inspiring, how much more the creator!

Psalm 19:1-6 (ESV)

The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.
There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard.
Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.
In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy.t
Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them, and there is nothing hidden from its heat.

Deuteronomy 4:19 (NASB)

And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.

The main point of this section seems to be explaining the Naturalistic use of the word ‘God’, making distinctions between theism, deism, and pantheism, and explaining Einstein’s view of ‘God’ and responses to it. I think there is a couple of sentences in this section that should certainly be noted. Dawkins writes that a philosophical naturalist believes there are “no miracles - except in the sense of natural phenomena that we don’t yet understand. If there is something that appears to lie beyond the natural world as it is now imperfectly understood, we hope eventually to understand it and embrace it within the natural.”2

I think this is important to notice that the naturalist sees ‘miracles’ only as natural phenomena not yet explained. I have found that many atheists demand ‘evidence’ for God: specifically, empirical evidence. The naturalist has already dismissed the ‘evidence’ he demands. Perhaps those atheists apt to reference Anthony Flew ought to consider whether their position is falsifiable!3 It is just as Abraham said, “If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.” (NASB; see Luke 16:19-31)

Undeserved Respect

This section starts with Dawkins telling us that he will be referring to supernatural gods in general when using the word ‘God’. Most of this section is spent bemoaning the respect religions have in society.

In one paragraph, Dawkins declares that the First Amendment does not protect ‘hate speech’. This is an interesting topic; how is ‘hate speech’ to be defined? Should the U.S. to hold us accountable for hatred? This seems to be a very vague suggestion at best. This paragraph also suggests that the freedom of religion is used as a trump card. I wonder what his solution to this problem would be? Surely we would not let the British define the limits of our faith and practice…

Conclusion

This chapter is mainly there to distinguish between the naturalistic and deist ‘god’ and the supernatural ‘god’ and to set the stage for the rest of the book.

  1. Richard Dawkins, The GOD Delusion (New York: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2006). []
  2. Ibid., at 14. []
  3. Anthony Flew wrote a paper, Theology and Falsification, in which he argues that if there are no criteria for denying an assertion, it isn’t asserting anything. []

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